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RJN said:
I genuinely do not think that Beverley’s post was anti-Semitic, but I also don’t think non-Jews need to decide what is and isn’t anti-Semitic
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But how are we to moderate on that? We have to make a judgement call and I sincerely don’t read his posts as antisemitic. It doesn’t sit right with me that the wider conversation seems to be that we should take action because we’re told something is wrong whether or not we agree.
 
VoR said:
With respect, no we haven't. We've explained our position on multiple occasions, you just don't seem to want to accept the answer we've given.
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I disagree with the answer you've given, but what I don't see is discussion about why one post was handled one way and the other another until this discussion about people reporting the thread, which I've already explained above. Once Tesco had been handled one way, the only way to handle gggggg was with the same outcome, but that was ignored. Why?

I'm sorry this is "dispiriting", but I really feel this has been handled badly and I'm just not willing to let that go as I feel really strongly about this.
 
ButterTart said:
But how are we to moderate on that? We have to make a judgement call and I sincerely don’t read his posts as antisemitic. It doesn’t sit right with me that the wider conversation seems to be that we should take action because we’re told something is wrong whether or not we agree.
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I agree with this much at least. I also didn't see the posts as anti- semitic, but it's not my right to say that, but without a Jewish voice on the moderating panel, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place on this point at least.
 
Sheena said:
And I repeat- this was after a similarly inflammatory post was given a "mild warning" in the thread- that would have negated anyone reporting it as people would have thought it was not necessary as it had already been dealt with.

It's inconsistent at the absolute best.
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And to add to this, a major poster basically left over those posts and nothing was done. Surely that is equivalent to a silent "report".

Can we ask how many reports were received about gggggg's post, by the way? Prior to the banning.
 
Sheena said:
I disagree with the answer you've given, but what I don't see is discussion about why one post was handled one way and the other another until this discussion about people reporting the thread, which I've already explained above. Once Tesco had been handled one way, the only way to handle gggggg was with the same outcome, but that was ignored. Why?
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I already gave you an explanation for that. In the moment, the Tesco thing flared up and then went away. Whereas with gggggg the replies were becoming increasingly aggressive and personal.

It's very possible we didn't act with total consistency. That's part of the commitment to learning. Ultimately, I was the one who dealt with Tesco and Zen was the one who took the call with gggggg. That's not to throw Zen under the bus, we all take ownership of that decision as a group. But we're not mind readers, there will be times when we don't act with 100% consistency. Again, we're aware of the problem and it's clearly something we'll be more mindful of going forward.

Again you can think that is total hogwash if you wish, but that's the only explanation we have and it's the only one we can give you. I'm comfortable that I acted in good faith and I'm comfortable that Zen, Buttertart and the rest of the team did as well. That's really all there is to it.
 
ButterTart said:
But how are we to moderate on that? We have to make a judgement call and I sincerely don’t read his posts as antisemitic. It doesn’t sit right with me that the wider conversation seems to be that we should take action because we’re told something is wrong whether or not we agree.
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You made a judgement and that’s fine. After all I never reported my concern until I was banned for my curt response. Although I did incredulously quote the previous comment which offended.

I wouldn’t expect you to take action until you felt it right or proportionate, and with discussion with others.

However I do think there are things to be learnt from this particular instance, and I hope it’s reflected upon.
 
ButterTart said:
But how are we to moderate on that? We have to make a judgement call and I sincerely don’t read his posts as antisemitic. It doesn’t sit right with me that the wider conversation seems to be that we should take action because we’re told something is wrong whether or not we agree.
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By making a judgement call on a situation, but not declaring that there has been no anti-semitism, which makes anyone who feels like there was not want to speak up about it in the future
 
VoR said:
I already gave you an explanation for that. In the moment, the Tesco thing flared up and then went away. Whereas with gggggg the replies were becoming increasingly aggressive and personal.

It's very possible we didn't act with total consistency. That's part of the commitment to learning. Ultimately, I was the one who dealt with Tesco and Zen was the one who took the call with gggggg. That's not to throw Zen under the bus, we all take ownership of that decision as a group. But we're not mind readers, there will be times when we don't act with 100% consistency. Again, we're aware of the problem and it's clearly something we'll be more mindful of going forward.

Again you can think that is total hogwash if you wish, but that's the only explanation we have and it's the only one we can give you. I'm comfortable that I acted in good faith and I'm comfortable that Zen, Buttertart and the rest of the team did as well. That's really all there is to it.
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Most of which comes back to you as a team not saying "Hold on, we were inconsistent, let's do something about this" and ridiculously sticking to this ban.

I couldn't give a shit about a ban from one thread- it's the principle of the whole thing and I don't think it would have EVER been done the other way around. That's my opinion, you can think that's total hogwash if you wish too, but we're not going to agree. I guess we're at an impasse.
 
RJN said:
By making a judgement call on a situation, but not declaring that there has been no anti-semitism, which makes anyone who feels like there was not want to speak up about it in the future
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As I said privately to you, that was my wording and I apologise for speaking too broadly. A better phrase might have been along the lines of "we thought there was nothing actionable"
 
Sheena said:
Most of which comes back to you as a team not saying "Hold on, we were inconsistent, let's do something about this" and ridiculously sticking to this ban.

I couldn't give a shit about a ban from one thread- it's the principle of the whole thing and I don't think it would have EVER been done the other way around. That's my opinion, you can think that's total hogwash if you wish too, but we're not going to agree. I guess we're at an impasse.
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Agreed. I've articulated why we decided not to reverse the ban. Clearly you disagree. So let's agree to disagree, take a breather and hopefully all try to learn and move on from this.
 
ZenGiraffe said:
As I said privately to you, that was my wording and I apologise for speaking too broadly. A better phrase might have been along the lines of "we thought there was nothing actionable"
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I know and I appreciated that answer, it’s just happened multiple times in this thread by others, and I think it needs repeating
 
I think the whole thing smacks of unconscious bias. And that is my big issue from it.
 
Mods - you have to separate people pointing out things that we think are wrong versus our opinion on you as people and as moopy friends. It sounds like your anxieties and mental health are being tested today and that shouldn’t be the case. I’ll say it again - it’s just a forum. There are more important things in life. Nobody died.

You have a tough job in a difficult position and we don’t know what happens behind the scenes. We shouldn’t have to emphasise that every time we want to say “why the fuck did you do that”.

It’s all just a shower of opinion at the end of the day. Argue the point, relent, double down, whatever you want. But don’t be losing sleep over it for fucks sake x
 
These fall outs will always be stressful to pretty much the whole forum. It's deeply unpleasant seeing friends fall out like this.

If it makes you feel any better other forums seem to be having similar issues at the moment. It really is the all time toxic topic.
 
GinAg (39) said:
If it makes you feel any better other forums seem to be having similar issues at the moment. It really is the all time toxic topic.
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Yes and I was meant to say yesterday it feels like we’re all using moopy to channel what we can’t when we’re raging at our screens and shouting at the TV helpless. So we’re taking it out on each other.

That’s not a reason for us to become stressed though. Moopy is meant to be escapism, not a chore. Yes we can debate and disagree but NOT at the expense of mental health. Online communities are designed to be safe spaces for people and we have to acknowledge when it’s doing the opposite
 
Sheena said:
I agree with this much at least. I also didn't see the posts as anti- semitic, but it's not my right to say that, but without a Jewish voice on the moderating panel, they are stuck between a rock and a hard place on this point at least.
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I don't think anyone is asking the moderators to be experts on anti-semitism, and the lack of diverse background available isn't their fault.

I was objecting to ZenGiraffe posting a very authoritive post at the beginning of this thread stating within an hour that the mods had decided nothing anti-semetic was said.

A platform in which the person offended can speak their mind without being shot down and dismissed isn't unachievable.

Surely it isn't hard to see an issue there?
 
RJN said:
By making a judgement call on a situation, but not declaring that there has been no anti-semitism, which makes anyone who feels like there was not want to speak up about it in the future
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This puts it a lot more succinctly than the post i just made.
 
GinAg (39) said:
If it makes you feel any better other forums seem to be having similar issues at the moment. It really is the all time toxic topic.
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When both parties have committed such appalling atrocities of such unfathomable horror, toxicity is inevitable. I've had to try and switch off from it for my mental health and yet, I can't because I can't ignore this slaughter, especially when both Hamas and the Israeli government have targeted the young, targeted innocent lives not yet lived and ended them in the most violent and brutal ways humanity has devised. It's exceptionally hard to step back from this and view it with any kind of detachment or to remain dispassionate. The intensity of pitch is inevitable.
 
Well cheers everybody for their input. What a thrill to have a blockbuster thread on moopy.

Back to my trash can.
 
gggggg said:
Well cheers everybody for their input. What a thrill to have a blockbuster thread on moopy.

Back to my trash can.
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I find your apparent glee at all of this inappopriate if not downright nasty. You were incendiary in that thread, which you have not meaningfully owned up to.

We've just lost a great poster and you responded by gaslighting him with shit like:

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You have never entertained the notion than what you said could be perceived as offensive. It never crossed your mind because you were so certain that you were in the right, and couldn’t possibly say anything inappropriate unconsciously or not. That is a problem, and one you should seek to address.
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when this very sentiment absolutely applies to you with your personal attack, but which you have dismissed as just being a natural consequence of 'the discourse'.

And then leaving with a smug "my work here is done". I really DON'T get it.
 
Whenever I read this thread title this song plays in my head for some reason.


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