The USA: The Biden Years

Suomi said:
What does this even mean :confused:
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i think he means that it sounds so extreme and unreasonable that the argument loses credibility. I admit I wondered the same thing as funky, but Ask Jeeva kindly helped out, I can see there’s a bit more nuance to that slogan
 
The Defund the Police thing is actually a strong idea, when you break it down.

I had the same visceral reaction when I first heard it. The slogan just makes it sound so much more extreme than it is!
 
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Ag said:
The Defund the Police thing is actually a strong idea, when you break it down.

I had the same visceral reaction when I first heard it. The slogan just makes it sound so much more extreme than it is!
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I think the quote unquote problem is that some people actually want it that extreme, but also some people don’t, but it’s easy to misinterpret. And the slogan sounds so definitive that people who don’t know that might not twig that they’ve misinterpreted
 
Defund the police sounds a lot less troublesome than Abolish the police. Reform the police also works for me. That editorial that Jiva provided also has more interesting context and nuances. Unfortunately Fox News and The Fail and the Brexit Gang and all their mates don't do nuances. Phrases like Abolish The Police just plays into the hands of the right for me. These are the sorts of people who like to relate Western socialism to North Korea and Venezuela, and Black Lives Matter to some sort of violent, organised underground mafia. Imagine what narrative they can create from Abolish The Police...

I do understand when a contingent of moopy says you can't make change without some conflict and controversy. It's shades of grey and maybe my shade is a little different. I just think it give rise to more extreme rhetoric on the other side, and allows people like Trump to emerge and make names for themselves.
 
Good news from Buffalo but its interesting that those results are from the same day as the NYC mayoral race, where the centrist candidate is probably going to win the primary (the Republicans have 0 chance in either race, so the Democratic primary basically is the election)
 
More good news is that Andrew Yang is not going to be mayor
 
Why?

I quite liked that ride when I was ten :shy:
 
It looks creepy and I hate how it moves, I assumed these things might have become a bit more advanced in the past few decades but clearly not :tongueout:
 
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Trump’s looks better than he does in real life
 
Ag said:
Cuomo has resigned as NY mayor then.

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He was governor but yes, good riddance. I still laugh at his absolute GALL to publish a book about how well he handled the pandemic before the pandemic was over (and before thousands of preventable deaths in nursing homes came to light).
 
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Fuck Cuomo. Its maddening that he was even still there for so long. The Democrats NEED to be the party that doesn't tolerate sexism/sexual assault
 
Biden and Congress have let the eviction moratorium and unemployment benefits all expire, with millions of people already owing tonnes in unpaid rent. Winter is gonna be so difficult.
 
KindaCool said:
Biden and Congress have let the eviction moratorium and unemployment benefits all expire, with millions of people already owing tonnes in unpaid rent. Winter is gonna be so difficult.
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Biden didn’t let it expire, the Supreme Court blocked his ban

edit: that sounded a bit heartless. The situation is super depressing and Congress needs to pass a law
 
RJN said:
Biden didn’t let it expire, the Supreme Court blocked his ban

edit: that sounded a bit heartless. The situation is super depressing and Congress needs to pass a law
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He's hardly fought for it. He's left it completely up to individual states, which is reminiscent of Trump, and seems to think the economy will be fine. We'll see I guess.

Also, this is just fucking SAD
www.wsj.com

WSJ News Exclusive | Afghan Interpreter Who Helped Rescue Biden in 2008 Left Behind After U.S. Exit

Mohammed, his wife, and their four children are hiding from the Taliban and are among countless Afghan allies who were left behind when the U.S. ended its 20-year military campaign in Afghanistan on Monday.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com

He's become very apathetic.
 
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KindaCool said:
He's hardly fought for it. He's left it completely up to individual states, which is reminiscent of Trump, and seems to think the economy will be fine. We'll see I guess.

Also, this is just fucking SAD
www.wsj.com

WSJ News Exclusive | Afghan Interpreter Who Helped Rescue Biden in 2008 Left Behind After U.S. Exit

Mohammed, his wife, and their four children are hiding from the Taliban and are among countless Afghan allies who were left behind when the U.S. ended its 20-year military campaign in Afghanistan on Monday.
www.wsj.com www.wsj.com

He's become very apathetic.
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There isn’t really any point arguing over this, since it’s just my opinion vs yours, but I don’t think he’s apathetic. He tried the ban and congress needs to get its act together and pass something. Not to downplay how sad it is (same with the article you posted). It just feels like public opinion is turning on Biden for things out of his control
 
RJN said:
There isn’t really any point arguing over this, since it’s just my opinion vs yours, but I don’t think he’s apathetic. He tried the ban and congress needs to get its act together and pass something. Not to downplay how sad it is (same with the article you posted). It just feels like public opinion is turning on Biden for things out of his control
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He has the bully pulpit though and doesn't seem to use it to its full potential. It always seems like he is too afraid of really sticking it to the Republicans, which might have worked if he had been president when he first ran, but not now.
 
RJN said:
There isn’t really any point arguing over this, since it’s just my opinion vs yours, but I don’t think he’s apathetic. He tried the ban and congress needs to get its act together and pass something. Not to downplay how sad it is (same with the article you posted). It just feels like public opinion is turning on Biden for things out of his control
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I mean listen, I'm still rooting for him because I still think he's a genuinely nice guy. But there's no way I can ignore something as embarrassing and catastrophic as the Afghani situation. It shows just how little America still understands anything about the East in general.

And tbh Afghanistan was always going to be a failure imo. I also find it laughable that America preaches about democracy when it's barely working HERE.

Public opinion is something all presidents have to endure. It doesn't soften my judgement of him any less.

I dunno...I think I'm just gonna check out
 
ZenGiraffe said:
He has the bully pulpit though and doesn't seem to use it to its full potential. It always seems like he is too afraid of really sticking it to the Republicans, which might have worked if he had been president when he first ran, but not now.
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I agree with this. He definitely too attached to the idea of “unity” and “bipartisanship” which are not going to happen with the current state of the Republican Party. I just don’t think he’s apathetic or uncaring. Just wrong about how much compromise is going to happen
 
KindaCool said:
I mean listen, I'm still rooting for him because I still think he's a genuinely nice guy. But there's no way I can ignore something as embarrassing and catastrophic as the Afghani situation. It shows just how little America still understands anything about the East in general.

And tbh Afghanistan was always going to be a failure imo. I also find it laughable that America preaches about democracy when it's barely working HERE.

Public opinion is something all presidents have to endure. It doesn't soften my judgement of him any less.

I dunno...I think I'm just gonna check out
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Oh America definitely loves to fuck things up for other countries. I can’t deny that
 
Just to be clear, I’m not defending (most of) America’s domestic or foreign policy
 
RJN said:
Oh America definitely loves to fuck things up for other countries. I can’t deny that
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If it's any consolation, America is still mostly what it's cracked up to be. I've become very disenchanted with it, but I don't regret it one bit.
 
It does feel like the media has turned on Biden following the Afghan withdrawal, which makes sense when you consider that many members of the media (and more importantly the people who pay their bills) clearly wanted the US to stay there forever/would support redeployment in a heartbeat.
 
KindaCool said:
If it's any consolation, America is still mostly what it's cracked up to be. I've become very disenchanted with it, but I don't regret it one bit.
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I’m glad you don’t regret moving here but it’s maddening that we have the issues we do when we have enough money to solve them. We just need the will to do it
 
I should probably add that obviously there are issues with how the withdrawal was handled, and I don't condone that side of things whatsoever - however, the US withdrawing from Afghanistan is something I genuinely didn't expect to see happening within my lifetime and as such I will always have a degree of respect for Joe Biden for actually going through with it. The prospect of the US actually having to confront the idea that their imperial power has limits is long overdue.
 
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Quite a lot of thick people in this world who seem to think Trump invented 'acting in the interests of the country you're in charge of'. Especially considering he didn't actually even do it a lot of the time.
 
Penelope said:
Quite a lot of thick people in this world who seem to think Trump invented 'acting in the interests of the country you're in charge of'. Especially considering he didn't actually even do it a lot of the time.
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There is acting in the interests of the country you're in charge of, and there is being a dick about acting in the interests the country you're in charge of. This seems very much to be the latter.
 
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