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This is all rather depressing. They appear to have almost entirely retaken Afghanistan.
I don't understand how that's possible when they forbid education for women or what "more rights" means when they previously had none.an ‘official spokesperson’ stating that women will have more rights than they used to
The speed is 20th/ 21st century, the method is almost medieval.The speed of it all is just mental.
I don’t understand why Joe Biden has done this? I’m seeing all those images of people at Kabul airport, the only way now out, desperately trying to get out. It’s so awful I can’t cope
The airport is still functioning though, just checked on flight radar, there are passenger flights leaving Kabul to Doha and Delhi.
I saw that foreigners are being allowed to leave or to register their presence to the Taliban.
Are Afghan citizens being allowed to leave?
It's so grim to see.
Officially the Taliban have said there will be safe passage for anyone who wants to leave. Whether that pans out or not is another matter.I saw that foreigners are being allowed to leave or to register their presence to the Taliban.
Are Afghan citizens being allowed to leave?
It's so grim to see.
When do they leave though? I mean yes it's disastrous, but can they really stay until the Taliban becomes a theoretical memory? I ask, only because I don't know. It's terrible.Apparently, when Trump signed a peace deal with the Taliban, he agreed to withdraw troops by May. But Biden, who has always wanted to pull out since Obama days, decided to go ahead and go ahead earlier than agreed. He thinks he can get away with it cos the American public don't care, and maybe they don't, but it's an absolutely terrible decision.
The twitter criticism and commentary about the people at the airport is currently around them being rich and having the means to fly away, so am assuming that anyone who can afford the plane ticket can leave, but I can't be sure.Are Afghan citizens being allowed to leave?
Apparently, when Trump signed a peace deal with the Taliban, he agreed to withdraw troops by May. But Biden, who has always wanted to pull out since Obama days, decided to go ahead and go ahead earlier than agreed. He thinks he can get away with it cos the American public don't care, and maybe they don't, but it's an absolutely terrible decision.
When do they leave though? I mean yes it's disastrous, but can they really stay until the Taliban becomes a theoretical memory? I ask, only because I don't know. It's terrible.
Afghanistan has long been at the crossroads of crisis.
Trump also abandoned the Kurds during his presidency, despite all their effort against ISIS.Apparently, when Trump signed a peace deal with the Taliban, he agreed to withdraw troops by May. But Biden, who has always wanted to pull out since Obama days, decided to go ahead and go ahead earlier than agreed. He thinks he can get away with it cos the American public don't care, and maybe they don't, but it's an absolutely terrible decision.
That's a helpful way to look at it. I guess America is still in Germany.Something useful I read yesterday was a reminder that the US still has forces in South Korea. 20 years after the war, South Korea was a military dictatorship, but the Americans didn't leave. So by all intents and purposes, this is an abdication of responsibility that the US placed on their own shoulders.
As opposed to America consistently making terrible strategic and military decisions over the last 20 years and now choosing to collaborate with the Taliban to enable its takeover?
Bev, you’re luring me into a conversation I can’t possibly win. I could explain, but I just don’t think moopy is the place for these heated debates. None of us, including you and me, are experts on Afghanistan. My generalised comment was about the sadness and about how messed up Afghanistan is. I even referenced that western interference was part of the reason. Your argument isn’t with me, let it go.
Ok but what I wanna know it's what's Pakistan's role in all this? I keep seeing #SanctionPakistan. Or is that not related? Lol
I can understand that certain geographies can be difficult, but seeing that as an obstacle than cannot be surpassed is ultimately a defeat in terms of international politics diplomacy and law. The same has been said at times for the balkans and the Yugoslavian wars. To get back on topic my understanding is that afghani people could live normal lives in the 50s and the 60s, weren't they?
The speed of it all is just mental.
Thanks, i get it now.20 years for almost nothing. The way the US continually leaves the countries they’ve occupied in such a horrible manner…
What @funky is saying is however right regarding the geography of the country. It’s hard to rule all parts of it, no modern state has been able to, there will always be fractions that will be more or less self governing or result in some kind of never ending civil war.