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Finn Tim Tagi Dim said:
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I know this is part of the documentary the BBC have made about this which means that he was pretty much obliged to say something but this clip honestly makes him look a bit stupid?

He contradicts himself both within the video and in the context of his past behaviour - he states that he isn’t really qualified to speak on the issue of Israel / Palestine despite the fact that he has previously spoken out on several occasions in support of Palestine. In the same video he also says that the Song Contest “just so happens” to be taking place at the same time as a war and humanitarian crisis before later stating that Eurovision is not supposed to be political but it has been made so.

Not sure if this is really in the right thread though? Maybe the one covering Israel’s participation is more appropriate?
 
Tetris-Rock said:
I know this is part of the documentary the BBC have made about this which means that he was pretty much obliged to say something but this clip honestly makes him look a bit stupid?

He contradicts himself both within the video and in the context of his past behaviour - he states that he isn’t really qualified to speak on the issue of Israel / Palestine despite the fact that he has previously spoken out on several occasions in support of Palestine. In the same video he also says that the Song Contest “just so happens” to be taking place at the same time as a war and humanitarian crisis before later stating that Eurovision is not supposed to be political but it has been made so.

Not sure if this is really in the right thread though? Maybe the one covering Israel’s participation is more appropriate?
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I don't feel like it does. To me it comes across as someone in an incredibly awkward position, probably very conscious that whatever they say is going to be picked apart by millions of ears and eyes, whilst being confronted with a difficult subject matter whether they like it or not, in what is clearly a complicated and emotional issue for everyone.

I'm aware it's just a brief clip, but after everything he's probably reluctant and uncertain of exactly what to say and how to word it - even if he has been vocal about it in the recent past. You can see he's getting a bit upset and I imagine much of that is conflicting feelings because he probably feels like no matter what he does he's never going to get it fully "right".
 
Tetris-Rock said:
I know this is part of the documentary the BBC have made about this which means that he was pretty much obliged to say something but this clip honestly makes him look a bit stupid?

He contradicts himself both within the video and in the context of his past behaviour - he states that he isn’t really qualified to speak on the issue of Israel / Palestine despite the fact that he has previously spoken out on several occasions in support of Palestine. In the same video he also says that the Song Contest “just so happens” to be taking place at the same time as a war and humanitarian crisis before later stating that Eurovision is not supposed to be political but it has been made so.

Not sure if this is really in the right thread though? Maybe the one covering Israel’s participation is more appropriate?
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I get the distinct sense that either the edit or incredibly prescriptive conditions on PR engagement in the contract have done him over something nasty here.
 
Raining on Llámame said:
I don't feel like it does. To me it comes across as someone in an incredibly awkward position, probably very conscious that whatever they say is going to be picked apart by millions of ears and eyes, whilst being confronted with a difficult subject matter whether they like it or not, in what is clearly a complicated and emotional issue for everyone.

I'm aware it's just a brief clip, but after everything he's probably reluctant and uncertain of exactly what to say and how to word it - even if he has been vocal about it in the recent past. You can see he's getting a bit upset and I imagine much of that is conflicting feelings because he probably feels like no matter what he does he's never going to get it fully "right".
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I agree to an extent - I think my point is that if all you are going to do is tie yourself up in knots contradicting yourself then there is a strong argument for saying nothing at all. But I guess in this case, they were making a documentary about him in which meant he basically HAD to say something. It’s just shit that it makes him look a bit thick and hypocritical.

I think honestly the ideal would probably be saying something along the lines of that it is hard to know how to feel amid the whirlwind of the situation and then later on when he’s no longer under contract he can probably be a bit more honest about how he actually felt with slightly fewer limitations.
 
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Yeah, I feel bad for him to be honest. i know it's not as simple as that but other artists from the class of 2024 have spoken out about Israels participation and they don't seem to have received the same.level of vitriol
 
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We can tone down this moment I THINK

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Is it too late to ask Will Young to take an evening off from promoting his hot new singal to stand behind a strategically placed shower curtain whilst R’Olly’s microphone is turned off?
 
I don't think the staging is that special? he's in a box and he's upside down for a bit. anyway good perf, bad vocals, questionable styling... the group I was watching with were mixed on the song. one of them remembered him from years & years' early material and liked it. I don't see this coming top 15...
 
I don't think it's a particularly revolutionary performance in the great scheme of things, but unless there's something in the second semi to rival it, it will very much stand out.
 
I'd guesstimate around 15th place. Rolly himself and the staging concept look very professional and the song remix really enhances the performance.

It's a shame they didn't opt for a better song nor hire someone to double the main vocals.
 
In the hall it very much stood out. I think Sweden looked better in terms of overall wow factor but this was perhaps a close second. It isn’t revolutionary at all, but it looked very professional and like a proper pop star awards ceremony performance.
 
My main positive is I loved the change to the end of the song to make it more dramatic and oompfy.

The staging is great but I thought some of it looked messy and the idea they're going for didn’t always work for me, it looked a bit confused at times. Especially the end bit where the ground...swallows him or whatever happens. I guess they can tweak some of it before Saturday. It's still VERY GOOD in some ways though

The vocals...sorry but that's possibly the worst I've heard this year.

For a comparison, I honestly thought Sweden towered above this in every way :shy:

I really hope it scrapes top 20 at least, I agree 15th seems about right
 
Jark said:
I don't think the staging is that special? he's in a box and he's upside down for a bit. anyway good perf, bad vocals, questionable styling... the group I was watching with were mixed on the song. one of them remembered him from years & years' early material and liked it. I don't see this coming top 15...
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In the context of Eurovision it is very innovative. Perhaps not so much in a broader context.

I think it is very difficult to call how this is going to do on the night. It feels like there should be an audience for it but nothing surprises me.
 
The nocals remain a concern for me, though. They just aren’t good enough. In the hall they were average and on the broadcast worse. I can’t see juries voting for that at all on that basis.
 
Two years in a row we’ve had the worst (?) vocals in the competition. We’re doing much better overall- both songs and concept wise- but that is the final piece of the puzzle that needs to be worked on for me.
 
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Two years in a row we’ve had the worst (?) vocals in the competition. We’re doing much better overall- both songs and concept wise- but that is the final piece of the puzzle that needs to be worked on for me.
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It’s really strange that they have allowed it to happen again, when it was so obviously what sunk Mae last year.
 
That being said I don’t think this is quite in Mae territory. He just about holds the notes.
 
The reaction at my gathering at my last night was(suprisingly??) overwhelmingly positive- although massive side note- said gathering was a group of 30 something queen's who knew Years and Years.

I don't know....I feel like a moderate televote success could be on the cards, but those vocals are too ropey to pull much in the way of jury support surely?
 
Based on the semi I think trying to determine whether Mae or Olly was worse is splitting hairs, and doesn't REALLY matter - either way we've sent someone who isn't up to scratch vocally live, and who is clearly suffering in that respect compared to the competition.

That said, the performance is incomparably better than last year, and I think Olly has a lot more charisma than Mae. It's just frustrating when you see how well Sam did in no small part to his vocal strength, and we follow that up with weaker vocalists for two years.
 
It's probable that Rolly himself waved away suggestions to have someone double his vocals, which can be frustrating for a lead singer unaccustomed to it.

Similarly, M&M made a risky decision against management advice by cutting Lars Säfslund to retain all backing dancers. Perhaps they should've at least replaced one of them with someone who can sing and dance. It's a very human choice that they, luckily, seem to have gotten away with.
 
Even though Sweden's show might be technically superior, the UK's performance is at least more in your face.

Rolly is very lucky that M&M hasn't gained momentum from competing in a semi-final and that he will likely have a better draw than them in the finals. It's also a savvy move to target the gay community while Sweden's focus seems to be on girls and homophobes.
 
The vocals weren’t great but having watched this a few times I don’t think they’re anywhere near as bad as people are making out - the ending in particular felt solid - again, I’m not saying he’s a vocal powerhouse but it doesn’t feel like it impacted on the overall strength of the show he put on. As an overall performance last night it just felt BIG - however we do on Saturday I’m satisfied we’ve done it right this year.
 
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Havada Kedavra - I Hak to Destroy! said:
Even though Sweden's show might be technically superior, the UK's performance is at least more in your face.

Rolly is very lucky that M&M hasn't gained momentum from competing in a semi-final and that he will likely have a better draw than them in the finals. It's also a savvy move to target the gay community while Sweden's focus seems to be on girls and homophobes.
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Are Marcus and Martinus homophobes?
 
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