Mariah Carey - All I Want For Christmas Is You

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I think it was only eligible for inclusion in the Hot 100 in the last couple of years
 
Really? How unfair, there's been lots of classics re-entering the chart for a few years. Those BB rules are truly incomprehensible.
 
It's been eligible for a few years I think. This from 2012:

With airplay and sales for holiday hits increasing, the track, from Carey's 1994 album "Merry Christmas," re-enters the chart at No. 29, a new peak position. "Christmas" had logged one prior frame on the chart, reaching No. 83 the week of Jan. 8, 2000. It didn't reach the Hot 100 upon its original release, as it was not available as a commercial single in 1994; per chart rules at the time, such tracks were not eligible to appear on the Hot 100. The carol did, however, rise to No. 12 on the Radio Songs chart the week of Jan. 7, 1995 (the highest rank for a holiday song in the chart's 22-year history).
 
Oh wait, for some reason I thought it had some chart run in the 90s, but it wasn't eligible. 21 weeks makes sense then.
 
It's obviously a classic but I've heard it 5 times already today, and quite frankly will be quite glad if I don't hear it for another 20 years!!

It's especially annoying as she has plenty of other Christmas songs which are just as good.
 
I think there was another one before, but the current Christmas chart is called Holiday 100 and runs 5 weeks a year. It started 6 years algo and Mariah is number one every single year.

WTF :D queen of EVERY chart (literally)!!

I swear I'll kill someone if Justine ever reaches #1!! I'd rather Britney or Kelendria Clarkson than that tattood, std infused racist cum rag.
 
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Last week it fell from #1 on Spotify after the weekend. This week it has held on until today at least, albeit only narrowly. And it seems to be holding better on iTunes as well.

I'd stream the arse off it if I felt it had a real chance of holding Sheeran off #1 in the UK. Surely it has a great chance at #2 though. Streaming is going to be immense next week.
 
“Last Christmas” will surely overtake it next week, sadly.

I wish I knew how the charts worked- she was still #1 on spotify when I looked this evening and Sheeran was down at #5, which surely must mean she stands a chance?
 
Hopefully late converts to Carly Rae’s take on ‘Last Christmas’ will detract streams and sales from the original.
 
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“Last Christmas” will surely overtake it next week, sadly.

I wish I knew how the charts worked- she was still #1 on spotify when I looked this evening and Sheeran was down at #5, which surely must mean she stands a chance?

Well on Spotify she was approx 72k streams ahead of him yesterday, which equates to less than 500 sales. I believe Spotify is just over half of the streaming market. I've not checked Apple music, Deezer or the other streaming sites, but I guess it's reasonable to double that 500 as an estimate?

But he's still outselling her by over 4 to 1 on iTunes.
 
Is the Last Christmas for Christmas #1 campaign getting much traction, then? I'd rather that at #1 than Sheeran.
 
Mariah is #2 in the midweeks, but unfortunately Sheeran is way ahead. Last Christmas is in the top 5 too. I don't know what's going on this year, but there is loads of Christmas songs in the singles chart, doing considerably better than previous years.
 
It's very largely due to streaming, isn't it? The Spotify chart at the weekend was ridiculously dominated by Christmas songs, which I only remember seeing right on Christmas Eve and Day last year. And that is only going to grow over the next 12 days.

I suspect a lot of the people only now discovering streaming in the last year (so relatively late adopters) are also the kind more likely to be those lazily sticking on a Christmas playlist.
 
There's definitely been a streaming boost
It's very largely due to streaming, isn't it? The Spotify chart at the weekend was ridiculously dominated by Christmas songs, which I only remember seeing right on Christmas Eve and Day last year. And that is only going to grow over the next 12 days.

I suspect a lot of the people only now discovering streaming in the last year (so relatively late adopters) are also the kind more likely to be those lazily sticking on a Christmas playlist.
With the growth of Amazon Echo, Google Home etc. this year I think lots more homes have moved over to streaming so it makes sense that Christmas playlists will be being whacked on in the home every weekend in December. Then there's office parties throughout the week not to mention the shops, cafes and salons that'll be looping them all day every day. I expect it'll just continue to grow every year now.
 
I've heard it twice again already today... It really is getting me down now. I hate Christmas!
 
I hope the OCC don’t decide to remove them from the chart. The way they make up the rules as they go along, I’m sure they’ll soon decide it’s ok to cherry pick what charts and what doesn’t.
 
I hope the OCC don’t decide to remove them from the chart. The way they make up the rules as they go along, I’m sure they’ll soon decide it’s ok to cherry pick what charts and what doesn’t.

Changing the streaming ratios for certain tracks means they have started doing this already, effectively.

I wouldn't be entirely surprised for them to consider removing Christmas songs (or any song older than a certain point) from the chart entirely and having their own chart. I don't think we're at that point YET (but then we won't feel the full weight of streaming Christmas songs on the chart until next week), but if it skews the chart too much and makes the OCC uncomfortable then I can see it happening within the next few years. Surely they will feel pressure from record labels pissed off that new songs aren't having a chance in the Christmas chart because the old Christmas hits are clogging it up.

Considering it was Sheeran who broke the charts earlier this year and rendered so many decades old chart records redundant, I'd LOVE it if he was denied Christmas #1 this year by Mariah or Wham! Particularly when it's so clear with the duets how much he desperately wants it.
 
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It might be ok for this year, but I think if a Christmas song ends up being a recurrent #1 year in, year out, it will mean a rule change.

That said, the performance of Christmas songs has fluctuated hugely over the last decade so there’s no guarantee that this will ever be the case.
 
Well it's buying vs listening now; buying of Christmas songs slows down every year but listening doesn't, and streaming data means a chart growth.

I definitely see the OCC banning all songs over a certain age from the official chart within the next few years and creating a separate heritage chart.
 
It might be ok for this year, but I think if a Christmas song ends up being a recurrent #1 year in, year out, it will mean a rule change.

That said, the performance of Christmas songs has fluctuated hugely over the last decade so there’s no guarantee that this will ever be the case.
But this year is out of control, most of the Christmas songs are going to reach their peak position in decades or ever. Almost half of the top 40 are Christmas tracks, imagine next week. Surely they'll come up with a new rule to stop this, as this is just going to get worse with streaming increasing every year.
 
But this year is out of control, most of the Christmas songs are going to reach their peak position in decades or ever. Almost half of the top 40 are Christmas tracks, imagine next week.

Oddly enough, I'm OK with this. I like a Xmas chart with plenty of Xmas songs and it might encourage bands and artists to make new ones.
 
It might be ok for this year, but I think if a Christmas song ends up being a recurrent #1 year in, year out, it will mean a rule change.

That said, the performance of Christmas songs has fluctuated hugely over the last decade so there’s no guarantee that this will ever be the case.

Well it's buying vs listening now; buying of Christmas songs slows down every year but listening doesn't, and streaming data means a chart growth.

I definitely see the OCC banning all songs over a certain age from the official chart within the next few years and creating a separate heritage chart.

Yes, we can't really compare like with like yet. And unless things change, it's only going to get even more pronounced.

I think a 'heritage chart' will be the easiest way out. Or them bringing in another streaming ratio for older songs which massively handicaps them.
 
Oddly enough, I'm OK with this. I like a Xmas chart with plenty of Xmas songs and it might encourage bands and artists to make new ones.

Always assuming the curators at Spotify then add these new songs to their playlists. Because unless they do, there would be little point. This is lazy, passive listening at its finest.
 
Always assuming the curators at Spotify then add these new songs to their playlists. Because unless they do, there would be little point. This is lazy, passive listening at its finest.

There's truth in that for sure...
 
I hate how Spotify playlists are making the chart, but I'd like Mariah to get #1 before any changes are made.

In fairness, I don't see why playlists aren't discounted and they only use songs people have actively clicked on...
 
I don't see why playlists aren't discounted
Because they are, in effect, the reason the industry tolerates Spotify - they can manipulate it and get onto the playlists with the resulting streams and exposure. If Spotify fucked that off, they'd be in a very different position, I suspect.
 
The Wham campaign is kicking in. They are combining at #2 on iTunes now. Mariah would be #15.
 
The Wham campaign is kicking in. They are combining at #2 on iTunes now. Mariah would be #15.

That's the big fucker.

Even more of a fucker because it will make me annoyed that it wasn't Mariah, when really, "Last Christmas" is probably the more deserving, considering its first chart run...
 
There is the 'best selling song not to have got to #1' title that Wham would lose as well.

But then I assume if Mariah isn't the song to replace it, that's a title that soon would become hers, anyway.

Mariah 21k Spotify streams ahead of Wham yesterday.
 
Because they are, in effect, the reason the industry tolerates Spotify - they can manipulate it and get onto the playlists with the resulting streams and exposure. If Spotify fucked that off, they'd be in a very different position, I suspect.
True. There should be more value in an active stream though, if it was possible to track that.
 
True. There should be more value in an active stream though, if it was possible to track that.

There probably is, but at this point does anyone outside of internet chart geeks like us really care anymore?

I don’t even blame Spotify wholly because the rot set in long before. Probably when the chart moved from Sunday to Friday and became something we just do because we’ve always done it.

I think it would take much more than filtering “active listens” to reverse the apathy.
 

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