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What are you on about? The vocals on Butterfly probably showcase her range more than ever. Yes her whisper register is more prevalent than before but there’s HUGE full on belting on loads of tracks, it’s just done in a more subtle way - usually saved till the climax. I really don’t see how anyone could argue that her voice was “damaged” at this point.I think the very beginning of her vocal decline was probably during the recording of Butterfly. It's very hard to tell because she sings in a generally much smaller range across the Butterfly album compared to before - almost no belting whatsoever - which is clearly a deliberate choice but makes it much tougher to decipher when the decline actually began and which part of her voice it punished first. I've heard people claiming her singing technique while recording Butterfly is actually what damaged her vocal chords, because that "whisper singing" (sorry I don't know the technical term) is supposedly much worse for the vocal instrument than full use of your range. but who knows.
YES but me listening to Against All Odds for the first time and hearing that cracking on the climax I was very muchRainbow also has pretty amazing vocals.
Rainbow also has pretty amazing vocals. I can’t think of a track where she sounds off, apart from maybe After Tonight but I think that’s more down do poor vocal production.
Glitter was the first time I noticed any vocal decline and we all know why that was.
YES but me listening to Against All Odds for the first time and hearing that cracking on the climax I was very much
but that's not what I said hun, try reading. I said her intentional vocal technique in recording Butterfly was probably responsible for vocal chord damage. It's not a stretch given that on Rainbow she sounds quite tired and there's a distinct lack of the previous rich quality her vocals had, even though her range is in tact. Age can also play a part, yes, but she was only 29 at the time.I agree entirely with @Whatevar : her vocal technique on Butterfly was definitely intentional and had nothing to do with any 'decline'.
Emotions is better than Music Box. Emotions is her most underrated album by far. It always feels a bit forgotten, even by the core fanbase, sandwiched between the debut with its iconic run of singles and Music Box being a huge multiplatinum phenomenon, but Emotions is by far the tightest of her first four records, as well as being the most fun, most sonically varied, and introducing the next-level songwriting that would define her 90s discography.
No lies detected!Emotions is better than Music Box. Emotions is her most underrated album by far. It always feels a bit forgotten, even by the core fanbase, sandwiched between the debut with its iconic run of singles and Music Box being a huge multiplatinum phenomenon, but Emotions is by far the tightest of her first four records, as well as being the most fun, most sonically varied, and introducing the next-level songwriting that would define her 90s discography.
Hun I did read and I really can't see how that could cause such damage though. Recording sessions are a fairly safe environment for a singer, and in spite of repeated takes etc. to record one album, from a clinical perspective, it just doesn't make sense to cause permanent vocal damage from recording sessions for one album. Unless of course there was drugs/alcohol/smoking involved, which we all know was not the case. Now if she had gone on a 200-date world tour where she sang live night after night after night in that technique, fair enough, but not just from recording.but that's not what I said hun, try reading. I said her intentional vocal technique in recording Butterfly was probably responsible for vocal chord damage. It's not a stretch given that on Rainbow she sounds quite tired and there's a distinct lack of the previous rich quality her vocals had, even though her range is in tact. Age can also play a part, yes, but she was only 29 at the time.
This is what you said:but that's not what I said hun, try reading. I said her intentional vocal technique in recording Butterfly was probably responsible for vocal chord damage. It's not a stretch given that on Rainbow she sounds quite tired and there's a distinct lack of the previous rich quality her vocals had, even though her range is in tact. Age can also play a part, yes, but she was only 29 at the time.
she does sing in a much smaller vocal range across the album. it's not in questionThis is what you said:
I think the very beginning of her vocal decline was probably during the recording of Butterfly. It's very hard to tell because she sings in a generally much smaller range across the Butterfly album compared to before - almost no belting whatsoever
Which isn’t the case.
Well I became aware of Mariah with 'Make it Happen' (in fact it was the first song of hers I ever heard, at the age of 12) and I loved it. Music Box came shortly afterwards and I was obsessed. I knew every single lyric and note on that album by heart. Of course my card carrying Madonna stan days were in full drive with the Erotica backlash, and in many ways Mariah was the anti-Madonna for me but it worked. It was a nice antidote to go home after school and listen to Erotica and then wash myself clean afterwards with Music Box.I know they're great but I still don't really claim the debut and Emotions as much as everything else. Merely because I wasn't aware of them at the time, and my fandom/standom/lambdom started with Music Box
Well that's because my sisters never stopped playing it and I had to buy Daydream myself because they'd decided they hated her by the time that came out![]()
I mean, honestly, if 'My All' isn't belting then what IS?Major lavish virtuoso belting on Butterfly, My All, Breakdown, Whenever You Call, Outside and many more
YES but me listening to Against All Odds for the first time and hearing that cracking on the climax I was very much
Jark. Don’t make me do a full vocal range analysis of each album.she does sing in a much smaller vocal range across the album. it's not in question
Listening to it, I would DIE for that kind of vocal now and I'm sure MANY would claim it's simply a stylistic choice to express the emotion of the moment but I couldn't help feeling that something was UPI don’t share that memory but I’ll go back and listen to it 10 times.
I screamed. But she was called Maureen.Everyone knows the vocal decline began when her friend Becky said her voice sounded like there were instruments playing with it
The idea that Whenever You Call, Butterfly and My All - some of her most difficult and vocally-acrobatic vocal climaxes EVER - signal a vocal "decline" is certainly... an opinion
The vocal decline/change/maturation/whatevah had clearly begun by Butterfly. Maybe it was always going to change as she aged, and it’s not that she didn’t still sound uhmayzing, but you can definitely hear it by 1997. Even Daydream didn’t have quite the same effortless vocal as before.
Completely disagree. She sounds incredible, but there’s a LOT more switching between airy and chest voice going on in all of those. She doesn’t sound anywhere near as smooth and ‘elastic’ as she did before. I noticed at the time immediately.
I appreciated the intention. I just didn't live for the substanceAlso you know Lou is THAT hardcore queen when I give my most positive review of Mariah in over 20 years, and he gives me one sentence of “oh thx hun” and 7 paragraphs of “fuck you funky and your poison”.
I mean I try. I do try![]()
I know they're great but I still don't really claim the debut and Emotions as much as everything else. Merely because I wasn't aware of them at the time, and my fandom/standom/lambdom started with Music Box
100%. I remember hearing it when I first listened to the album. But it didn’t bother me until RAinbow.