UK General Election 2024 - July 4th (1 Viewer)

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Who would be INSANE enough to take the job? I guess it would be no skin to Cameron who hops back into the Lords anyway but good grief, imagine being so power-hungry that you would take control of the Tories now.

Also, would he still stand in his seat? If not, it's too late to replace him.
 
I hope this doesn't come across as sympathy because it's not. I'm more than happy for Rishi Sunak to have to deal with the consequences of wildly poor, disrespectful decision-making. But it's happened, he's apologised (mustering the best levels of human emotion he can manage), and I'm not sure what else he's supposed to do. Apparently he avoided the usual media scrums yesterday, which does make it sound as though he's running away. But at the same time, they were literally going to ask him the same thing again and again and again (as they are continuing to do today), so...what's the point?

There were reasons for the media to behave this way with Boris Johnson because the only way to hold him to account for anything was to back him into a corner and shut down all of his attempts at bluster, which eventually ended up in contradiction. I don't think that's what's happening here. Rishi Sunak is either surrounded by terrible advisers or lacks the political nous to make the right judgement (both are probably true). I'm more than happy for the electorate who this story is likely to resonate with to be reminded of it by the opposition, but it's drowning everything else out at the moment.
 
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Controlling the narrative of an election is critical; it's how the Tories won so soundly in 2019 - "Corbyn is an antisemite" and the Tory slogan "Get Brexit Done" were the two things that were inescapable, even though both were bullshit. Sunak has failed to do that. His lie about tax was blown out of the water and now his core demographic are annoyed at him in a way that they wouldn't have been if he simply hadn't gone to the D-Day ceremony at all. What it has highlighted is how out of his depth Sunak really is - he botched the simplest of decisions and his lies are exposed within minutes. That's the real narrative here.

Add to that the fact that the Tory barrel has been scraped through the bottom and into the slurry pit below it; there is no-one who looks or feels like an even half-way competent leader anywhere among them and they know it. My only real worry at this stage is that Reform will be what emerges from this mess due to Farage's popularity with the media.
 
Obviously the OPTICS of the D-day thing are horrendous but I don’t really think what he did was THAT TERRIBLE, and certainly doesn’t warrant a resignation.
 
...But in a deranged country, governed to the whims of angry bitter pensioners (coz they're the only ones who still buy newspapers), it feels ENTIRELY PLAUSIBLE
 
Lucille said:
Obviously the OPTICS of the D-day thing are horrendous but I don’t really think what he did was THAT TERRIBLE, and certainly doesn’t warrant a resignation.
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I don't disagree. Also think that the press would have spun it if Johnson had done the same thing - remember how his Remembrance Day fuck up was excused and even edited by the BBC?
 
To be honest I'd be kind of pissed if D-day was the final straw
 
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Why is it that every time I see a white British person complaining about becoming a minority and the country being overcrowded with foreigners, it’s always from a majority white, smaller town/city? Am I right in thinking it’s quite rare for white Londoners and Brummies to be so passionate about this “issue”?
 
Ellie said:
Why is it that every time I see a white British person complaining about becoming a minority and the country being overcrowded with foreigners, it’s always from a majority white, smaller town/city? Am I right in thinking it’s quite rare for white Londoners and Brummies to be so passionate about this “issue”?
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I recall reading that some of the highest Leave votes in 2016 came from areas with the least immigration. It's very easy to make people frightened of what they don't know and have never experienced.
 
Imagine being fearful of something coming along to ruin a place like Kettering, which is obviously THRIVING otherwise
 
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Imagine being fearful of something coming along to ruin a place like Kettering, which is obviously THRIVING otherwise
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Excuse me, you'll show the home of WEETABIX some respect. :evil:
 
octophone said:
I recall reading that some of the highest Leave votes in 2016 came from areas with the least immigration. It's very easy to make people frightened of what they don't know and have never experienced.
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Blue is leave. Which major population areas aren't yellow?
 
I think it just means the huge-volume, paid-for social ads that are targeted at pensioners on Facebook at the like. They'll still be popping out tweets and posts from their own accounts
 
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Blue is leave. Which major population areas aren't yellow?
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I didn't say 'major population areas' - major population areas are where people would be more likely to see through the bullshit because they tend to have higher immigration, mainly because a bigger city has more opportunities for labour, education and accommodation. Areas where it's potentially more difficult to get a foothold due to a relative lack of opportunities are more likely to fall for scaremongering as they have nothing against which to compare. You'll note the slivers of blue on the map of Scotland and where they sit.
 
big ron said:
The absolute implosion of the Conservatives is fascinating. Imagine them going BUST.
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Well, they're exactly the kind of people who would liquidate the company after asset-stripping it. I imagine there'll be quite a few hands dipping the till at the minute.
 
I'd rather have a diminished but functioning Tory party than Reform dominating the right.

Although I conceed the difference is often paper thin and the swing into full on Nazi ideology is probably inevitable and is already happening.
 
Many commentators seem to be contemplating the prospect of Nigel Farage winning his seat and defecting to lead the Tories. I guess the prospect of a wipeout makes it such that anything is possible at this point, however inconceivable it might seem.
 
UK Polling Report is joke outfit, I think? I believe they just use uniform national swing.
 
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