UK General Election 2024 - July 4th

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Fiona Bruce can't stand him.


For someone who gets accused of being a massive Tory constantly on Twitter, she REALLY did not come across as one tonight. :D Dismissed everything he said and they just ended up arguing between the two of them half the time
 
It really speaks volumes how low we've got where a good answer starts with implicitly agreeing with Rosie Duffield, and explicitly with Tony Blair.
 
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I don't think that could've gone much worse for Sunak. His mask totally slipped at the end. I don't necessarily think he reserves his whingey, patronising tone specifically for women, but it definitely seems more APPARENT that he takes it as a personal affront to be challenged by them.
 
To be honest, I think he did pretty well with this question, all things considered.



Not nice to say but TERFs always have such off-putting HEAD GIRL energy.

She's giving PICK FLICK.
 
I don't think that could've gone much worse for Sunak. His mask totally slipped at the end. I don't necessarily think he reserves his whingey, patronising tone specifically for women, but it definitely seems more APPARENT that he takes it as a personal affront to be challenged by them.


Yeah I mean, in that first debate, I really thought he came across as slicker than Starmer - but in this you could see Starmer was confident and prime ministerial, whereas Sunak just came across as desperate and argumentative.

The ending was really quite beautiful tv. :D
 
Vote for Policies is updated for the GE.

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Ed Davey comes across really well in both of those clips - easily better than either Starmer or Sunak for me.
 
To be honest, I think he did pretty well with this question, all things considered.


I am far from a Starmer superfan, but I find this reassuring on the whole. While I would absolutely love a more left leaning Labour, we’ve got so much Tory bullshit to undo, not least moving the public away from endless culture wars.

If he brings this energy to his leadership, genuinely trying to find common ground rather than playing off on polarising differences, we’ll be much better off.
 

Reform party backers are sometimes thought of as even older than Tory voters. But recent polling shows that Farage’s party is actually attracting more younger supporters than the Conservatives, with particular backing among men. According to the latest Survation survey, Reform was getting 12% of younger people’s vote compared with 2% of 18-to-24s opting for the Tories. The most recent YouGov poll has Reform on 15% with 18- to 24-year-olds and the Conservatives on 7%.

The Reform leader’s short, punchy social media clips have also gained far more attention than many of his more strait-laced political rivals.

He is one of a small number of British politicians who have successfully and enthusiastically embraced TikTok – a platform eschewed by the Tories and Labour – as a way of reaching out to the young. With 776,000 followers on the platform, up almost 200,000 since the election was called, he is the most followed UK politician on TikTok by far, with Zarah Sultana the next at 446,000.

The TikTok output of Farage – not traditionally known as a hip-hop fan – also indicates a younger hand at work. Clips that have cut through include one of Farage mouthing the lyrics of Eminem’s song Without Me (7.6m views). Another which received 2.4m views featured Farage inspecting fruit on a walkabout and raising an eyebrow as he turns to the camera and says “lovely melons”.

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It's fun for casual chat, but not Moopy titles, which have years of formatting evolution behind them.
 
There's lots of shit about Farage backing Andrew Tate on Twitter this morning. Terrible obviously, but at this point the deal is done, what's to discuss?
 
The way Sunak's mask completely slipped at the end :D

The smallest rich man who ever lived.
 
I am far from a Starmer superfan, but I find this reassuring on the whole. While I would absolutely love a more left leaning Labour, we’ve got so much Tory bullshit to undo, not least moving the public away from endless culture wars.

If he brings this energy to his leadership, genuinely trying to find common ground rather than playing off on polarising differences, we’ll be much better off.
You know what, I agree. I actually liked that response. He's still a bit too black and white on the biology for my liking and I still don't like that it's a debate at all (just let them be for fuck's sake) but at least he's sympathetic and respectful and it does put my mind at ease that he's not too likely to go down the Rowling "sneer at and bully all the trans people" route.

And the comments of bringing people together warm my heart. I'm sick of the fighting too, I'm sick of (more a Twitter thing) "so-and-so is an irredeemable piece of shit who's life should be made miserable because they have a bad opinion on this one issue". Admittedly often the vocal ones ARE horrible in other ways and cosy up to the far right but... maybe not always?

I've also got caught up in it. For most of my life people commented that I'm very diplomatic and have good skills in at least understanding both perspectives of an issue. Picard was my hero growing up as he did this all the time instead of just shooting everything. Calm things down, talk them out, respect the "enemy" and that they probably have feelings and traumas that got them to that point, find some common ground. I've always had heroes like that, Naruto, much of MLP, the Doctor (can't get enough of one of the Capaldi Doctor speeches on that), even some of the rules of parliament itself. I find the Christmas Truce probably the most beautiful moment in history (at least for a moment. It's also one of the saddest as they have to get back to killing each other afterwards)

Years of hanging out on forums that are very polarised on one side and on Twitter etc and being told things like "you must be a horrible fence sitting centrist who just wants to please people and doesn't believe in anything" and that I'm part of the problem for not stepping fully over to their side and flinging the grenades over, repeatedly derided for it, did eventually wear me down to the point of "alright I'll get entrenched on the side I lean towards then". I've been one of those slagging people off on Twitter and calling them cunts for being on the wrong side of something and what does it achieve?

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Now, don't get me wrong I do also understand the argument I've been given - particularly by the BLM movement. They've been fighting for equality for the best part of a century, probably longer if you look at cycles of racism. Told by centrists and diplomats to calm down, let us talk with you and find middle ground and work this out... and then when they've nicely shut up about it nothing changes. So they've understandably snapped and said "fuck this, the only way to get anything to change is to riot". I think they have a point with that too. Protest needs to at least be disruptive otherwise it's just people standing around politely with placards and being ignored. We do need people who argue strongly for their side. But in positions of power and *by and large, on the whole* we need to still be respecting each other as human beings, trying to find common ground, even seeing some kind of good in the enemy, and working from there.

It's easy to look at someone like Starmer and assume the worst, that he just changes his views to whatever will get him into power. But maybe he's just one of those who tries to put himself in others' shoes, which can easily come across like that when it's not meant to.

I do think we need this actually. I know that "calm polite and diplomatic" doesn't tend to start any revolutions but look at the mess that polarisation and being at each others' throats has made.

At the risk of being lynched: maybe he's right?
 
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Which is why the argument is far from over but I have some hope that he can be talked down and pulled away from the right.

Maybe it's naive who knows. As it's pretty much inevitable he'll be PM maybe I'm just trying to be optimistic.
 
Or maybe I'm just a wrongun and should sit this out or do a lot of long hard thinking. Just did that policies test. Sorry... 66.7% Labour 33.3% Lib Dem... at least it's not Tory or Reform?

I'm thinking that maybe the green ones were less fleshed out.
(Waffles something about min wage that actually turns out to be Labour policy so idk. I didn't choose that one as it looked too much like just a figure plucked out of the air that inflation could quickly make irrelevant)

I gravitate towards things like mental health support in all schools and things that ease the transition from education to work. Mental health is absolutely fucked in young people especially when they exit education and get told to work out the rest for themselves.
 
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Or maybe I'm just a wrongun and should sit this out or do a lot of long hard thinking. Just did that policies test. Sorry... 66.7% Labour 33.3% Lib Dem... at least it's not Tory or Reform?

I don’t think there’s any need at all for you to sit this one out. You’re making a lot of sense that screaming TERF at someone with mild tendencies is going to do nothing other than radicalise them.
 

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