Eurovision 2025: Basel (17 May)

Bit of ominous news on the Euroclub

You may have seen an announcement earlier about the EuroClub and EuroCafe in Basel. This year’s venues will be rather different from what we have become used to in recent years.
Whilst OGAE Switzerland has been assisting in booking Eurovision acts to appear at the club, the venues are very much a commercial public venture and are not being run by OGAE.
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Oh Switzerland, don't force us to mix with REGULAR PEOPLE :(
 
VoR said:
Bit of ominous news on the Euroclub



Oh Switzerland, don't force us to mix with REGULAR PEOPLE :(
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Having read the full email, it sounds fine really. Still Eurovision themed with Eurovision DJs, and I think tickets have technically been available to the public most years anyway.
 
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I suppose it depends on the extent to which the venues are standard ones in Basel that ordinary people would just rock up to on a night out anyway.
 
Pingu said:
Well they'll soon leave again if it's all Eurovision, all night!
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You’d think so but that time I DJ’ed at the RVT for Eurovision night, I had to have these straight women removed because they kept holding their phones up to the glass with the writing PLAY DESCPACITO
 
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Lucille said:
Just a misunderstanding :eyes:

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I'm wondering about how much the producers are kacking themselves at the prospect of another huge televote for Israel and if that puts them in contention to take the whole contest.
 
I do think the juries will do their work even in the worst case scenario, though.
 
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There’s no reason to think the juries won’t do what they did last year and prevent them winning. Do we think KAJ (or…someone else?) will have enough public support to prevent them winning the televote like Baby Lasagna (just) did last year?
 
Bypass said:
I'm wondering about how much the producers are kacking themselves at the prospect of another huge televote for Israel and if that puts them in contention to take the whole contest.
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They're obviously headed for another huge televote. The main question is probably whether they remain just as divisive within most of the juries as they did last year:

- 23/36 juries had members that placed Israel 20th or below (18 that had multiple jurors place Israel 20th or below) - additionally, it looks like Slovenia coordinated to all place Israel 17th/18th in their votes, which would make 24/36 and a rough two thirds of national juries with some strong opposition to an Israel win
- 16/36 juries had members that placed Israel last (7 that had multiple jurors place Israel last in their votes)
- 63/180 jurors placed Israel 20th or below (28/180 placed them last, plus the four from Slovenia that appear to have coordinated to block Israel from receiving points to make 32/180)
- additionally, it looks like there's a clear correlation in that juries that had some opposition to Israel overwhelmingly tended to award 12s to Switzerland - 13/23 that had members who disfavoured Israel gave 12 to Switzerland, with 12/18 that had multiple members who disfavoured Israel giving Switzerland douze
 
auretz said:
There’s no reason to think the juries won’t do what they did last year and prevent them winning. Do we think KAJ (or…someone else?) will have enough public support to prevent them winning the televote like Baby Lasagna (just) did last year?
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I see a path for France. If they win the jury and come say 5/6 in the televote
 
Penelope said:
They're obviously headed for another huge televote. The main question is probably whether they remain just as divisive within most of the juries as they did last year:


- additionally, it looks like there's a clear correlation in that juries that had some opposition to Israel overwhelmingly tended to award 12s to Switzerland - 13/23 that had members who disfavoured Israel gave 12 to Switzerland, with 12/18 that had multiple members who disfavoured Israel giving Switzerland douze
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I wouldn’t necessarily have this point down as a coordinated thing as the ratios are more or less the same as the proportion of juries who have Switzerland 12 overall, no matter what they gave to Israel.
 
Also, if anyone wants to count along at home in May (or worry if it looks like things are starting to get out of hand during the jury votes), the most pro and anti Israel jury nations were:

PRO

Germany (8pts)
Cyprus (8pts)
Norway (8pts) :o
Belgium (5pts)
Estonia (5pts)
Lithuania (4pts)
France (3pts)
Georgia (3pts)
Malta (3pts)
Moldova (3pts)
Latvia (2pts)
Austria (no 20th or belows)
Croatia (no 20th or belows)
Czechia (no 20th or belows)
Netherlands (no 20th or belows) :o
Sweden (no 20th or belows)

ANTI

Italy (three last, 4/5 20th or below)
Portugal (three last, 4/5 20th or below)
San Marino (three last, 4/5 20th or below)
Serbia (three last, 4/5 20th or below)
Spain (three last, 4/5 20th or below)
Finland (two last, 4/5 20th or below)
Iceland (one last, 4/5 20th or below)
Albania (one last, 4/5 20th or below)
Switzerland (two last, 3/5 20th or below)
Slovenia (4/5 potentially coordinating to vote 17th/18th)
Armenia (one last, 3/5 20th or below)
Australia (one last, 3/5 20th or below)
Ireland (one last, 3/5 20th or below)
Poland (one last, 3/5 20th or below)
Greece (one last, 2/5 20th or below)
Ukraine (one last, 2/5 20th or below)
Denmark (2/5 20th or below)
Luxembourg (2/5 20th or below)
UK (2/5 20th or below)
 
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Pingu said:
I wouldn’t necessarily have this point down as a coordinated thing as the ratios are more or less the same as the proportion of juries who have Switzerland 12 overall, no matter what they gave to Israel.
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Maybe not necessarily, but it does feel plausible that the overwhelming jury win (on par with Tattoo) might have been in part influenced by some coordination to prevent a potential Israel win, which would likely have come about to some degree from the more opposed juries.
 
Bypass said:
I see a path for France. If they win the jury and come say 5/6 in the televote
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Also Austria, but I think auretz was more referring to Baby Lasagna managing to top the televote and stop Israel winning the public vote.
 
I feel like a big part of Israel doing so well with the public last year was the media coverage/boycott movement. If Ukraine can go from 400+ points to <200 in the space of a year (and in a year where the contest was hosted on their behalf) then I think it could happen here as well, a triple digit televote score but not threatening to win.
 
With a song called New Day Will Rise by someone who survived the Nova festival, I have a feeling a lot of the support from the more Israel-aligned/related part of the public in many countries will still be there...

(not to mention that I don't think the boycott topic and media coverage will entirely go away this year, although it might not have the same strength. A lot probably depends on what's going on in Gaza come May)
 
If nothing else, at least Israel don't have the standard straight down the line female ballad lane to themselves this year, which probably helped them a bit too at the margins in the voting in Malmö.
 
The fact that the song is a complete dirge will hopefully dampen things a bit too. I don’t think it’s even been that big of a hit in Israel compared to Hurricane.
 
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