The Israel-Gaza war and wider Middle-East tensions

Tesco's world's smallest turkey said:
Excuse me for getting a bit emotional for being told the supremacist military outpost occupying and genociding my people has no other place to go.
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Isn’t that the same rhetoric as people who talk about Hamas but forget the civilians/Palestinians? I didn’t say the military state had no place to go, but the people.
 
To be fully transparent, I banned Tesco from this thread for one day. I am trying my best to be impartial but I do feel that his recent posts are anti-Semitic and inflammatory.

If anyone feels that I have been or posted anything Islamophobic, please dm me or something
 
Tesco's posts aren't inflammatory. They're straight up bullshit. I STILL hear stories from my parents and grandparents' generations about how Jewish were forced out of the Middle East through antisemitic legislation and everyday racism - especially in the 1940s-60s.

Palestine has refused the two-state solution FOR A REASON. Because they think that they have a greater "right" than Israel to be a nation. And we're surprised that things have escalated to the horrifying levels of 2023? History shows us that this is EXACTLY what happens when two nations deny each other's legitimacy to exist.
 
Tesco's world's smallest turkey said:
Besides being one of the countries with the highest number of dual citizens, those who continue to migrate to Israel via the insanely supremacist "law of return for Jews" are instantly granted citizenship and acccommation within Israel's elastic borders or the occupied palestinian territories.

The ugliness of Zionism. EW.

But they have no other place to go, almost like being trapped in an open air prison, like Gaza?
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Quoted.
 
KindaFestive said:
Tesco's posts aren't inflammatory. They're straight up bullshit. I STILL hear stories from my parents and grandparents' generations about how Jewish were forced out of the Middle East through antisemitic legislation and everyday racism - especially in the 1940s-60s.

Palestine has refused the two-state solution FOR A REASON. Because they think that they have a greater "right" than Israel to be a nation. And we're surprised that things have escalated to the horrifying levels of 2023? History shows us that this is EXACTLY what happens when two nations deny each other's legitimacy to exist.
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There was never a Palestinian nation before Israel.
 
I don't think a one-day ban is sufficient to be honest. This individual has a history of this sort of behaviour. Has a permanent ban been considered?
 
Auld Lang Zen said:
Well sadly Israeli State policy says otherwise
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You're right, but to be fair consistent and enduring Palestinian rejection of any and all peace initiatives with Israel, most recently the “Deal of the Century,” calls into question the commitment of the Palestinian leadership not only to peace but to the very welfare and safety of the Palestinian people.
 
Though I keep telling myself never to engage with Zionists again...

Law of Return - Wikipedia

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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_Return

"The Law of Return (Hebrew: חוק השבות, ḥok ha-shvūt) is an Israeli law, passed on 5 July 1950, which gives Jews, people with one or more Jewish grandparent, and their spouses the right to relocate to Israel and acquire Israeli citizenship.[1] Section 1 of the Law of Return declares that "every Jew has the right to come to this country as an oleh [immigrant]".

What was so ANTISEMETIC about quoting a lifelong Israeli law? Are "progressive" Zionists ashamed of it?
 
"Critics claim that the Law of Return runs counter to the claims of a democratic state. Palestinians and advocates for Palestinian refugee rights criticize the Law of Return, which they compare with the Palestinian claim to a Palestinian right of return.[24] These critics consider the Law, as contrasted against the denial of the right of return, offensive and institutionalized ethnic discrimination.[25]"

Yep, racist and supremacist, in alignment with the whole Zionist idea.
 
Anti-semitism was coined as a term referring to antagonism/campaigns against Jewish people in 19th Century Germany.

It is a term that distinctly refers to hatred and discrimination against Jews, even if semite technically has a wider definition. I think you're very aware of that though.
 
I've seen a lot of memes floating around running with that 'I'm a semite too' argument as a response to the claims of anti-semitism arising at the moment, which I agree is also being weaponised as a response to criticism of Israeli action. But this disregards the history of the term, diminishes the severity and specificity of anti-semitism and also risks disregarding the fact that it is on the rise at present globally due to the events in Israel and Palestine.

And no, that isn't to diminish the horrors taking place against Palestinians by the Israeli government. But a person should be allowed to acknowledge both.


Eg

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There's a lot of diminishing and disregard of each others history too, and it's really unfair to look at either and discuss about them as modern creations with no legitimate claims or paint them in oversimplified colours only to fit debates and boxes that in essence are irrelevant to their cultural richness and diversity.
 
RJN said:
There’s clearly horrible people in leadership of both Israel and Gaza/The West Bank/Palestine, but everyone deserves a safe place to live with equal rights regardless
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Absolutely, but this is where the discourse for me needs to be balanced.
I cannot have a serious conversation with anyone who does not acknowledge the right for Israel to exist.
 
For example, people chanting 'from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free' want to wipe Israel off the map. They don't want Israel to exist.
 
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