The USA: The Trump Years 2.0 (2 Viewers)

He doesn’t actually want Canada to become part of the US. If it were to happen, it wouldn’t be as one new state, it would be as thirteen. That would mean 26 new senators for an electorate that is generally much more liberal than Trump’s Republicans and that would not end well for him.
 
Not just that, but USA already has a VERY unbalanced trading relationship with Canada that heavily favors America. 97% of Canada's crude oil exports go to America. Turning it into an American state would be more of a liability.
 
He doesn’t actually want Canada to become part of the US. If it were to happen, it wouldn’t be as one new state, it would be as thirteen. That would mean 26 new senators for an electorate that is generally much more liberal than Trump’s Republicans and that would not end well for him.
He has no concept of taking on the fight against Québécois independence
 
His latest suggestion is to move displaced Palestinians to other Arab states. Why not accept them in America?
 
His latest suggestion is to move displaced Palestinians to other Arab states. Why not accept them in America?
Because Arab states are close, Arabic-speaking, Muslim, Arab-majority nations? Not to mention, they have the far greater capacity to aid displaced refugees right now than America. If there is an onus on foreign nations to help displaced Arab refugees, then it starts with Arab nations. Not with the West. But instead they're spending their money on proxy wars and bizarre resorts for the ultra wealthy. They take a lot more refugees than in the past, thanks to Western pressure, but they should be spearheading the effort.

Also, Trump wishes he was the first to come up with this 'genius' idea. People have been saying this for decades.
 
Because Arab states are close, Arabic-speaking, Muslim, Arab-majority nations? Not to mention, they have the far greater capacity to aid displaced refugees right now than America. If there is an onus on foreign nations to help displaced Arab refugees, then it starts with Arab nations. Not with the West. But instead they're spending their money on proxy wars and bizarre resorts for the ultra wealthy. They take a lot more refugees than in the past, thanks to Western pressure, but they should be spearheading the effort.

Also, Trump wishes he was the first to come up with this 'genius' idea. People have been saying this for decades.
Lebanon welcomed more than a million Syrian refugees during the war. That’s an equivalent of 20% of the Lebanese population. Now show me a country that has accepted as many refugees proportionally…

Trump just wants to displace the population of Gaza permanently into a land that is not theirs, which is basically ethnic cleansing.
 
Lebanon welcomed more than a million Syrian refugees during the war. That’s an equivalent of 20% of the Lebanese population.
Good. Now Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, and the Gulf nations next. They are close, have abundant resources, and are ideologically favorable. It has to start with them. The same onus that 'compelled' America to accept half a million Venezuelan refugees in the last 2 years applies to Arab countries and Arab refugees.
 
I don’t understand your logic. Shouldn’t it start with the countries that caused the conflict in the first place, post WW2?
 
I should specify the current version of the conflict I suppose. But still. The allies created this current mess then amplified it by arming Israel to the teeth.
 
My logic is what's most favorable for the refugees. Somewhere close, well-resourced, culturally similar, and ideologically welcoming. That's wealthy Arab nations. Not a country across an entire ocean already dealing with immigration disputes and that's currently grossly under-resourced for the 500,000+ South American refugees that showed up in the last two years.

Your logic seems to be more concerned with who gets punished. Refugees aren't a beatstick to punish your perceived villain with. I know you want justice but these moral arguments are futile because any number of them can be made depending on your perspective. Iran helped cause all this because it propped up the groups and systems that contributed to half of this conflict - and all for their own personal gain, not for the Palestinian people. Similarly, America helped cause this because it propped up the other half for their own gain. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states helped cause this because they were the ones who moved to normalize relations with Israel, thereby throwing the plea of the Palestinian people under the bus..which Irani-backed terrorists used as grounds for this conflict. You could blame the Europeans for drawing garbage post-WW2 boundaries. You could blame the pre-1948 European and Arab antisemitism (the Nazis, Jaffa riots, Hebron massacre etc) that was used to justify Zionism. You could blame Zionism itself because of its perceived illegitimacy.

Pick whatever villain satisfies your conscience. But in the end, the only people who deserve our attention are those who suffered. And the best justice we can hope for (if one is to believe in the very idea itself) is that those who have suffered get stable lives again.
 
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My logic is what's most favorable for the refugees. Somewhere close, well-resourced, culturally similar, and ideologically welcoming. That's wealthy Arab nations. Not a country across an entire ocean already dealing with immigration disputes and that's currently grossly under-resourced for the 500,000+ South American refugees that showed up in the last two years.

Your logic seems to be more concerned with who gets punished. Refugees aren't a beatstick to punish your perceived villain with. I know you want justice but these moral arguments are futile because any number of them can be made depending on your perspective. Iran helped cause all this because it propped up the groups and systems that contributed to half of this conflict - and all for their own personal gain, not for the Palestinian people. Similarly, America helped cause this because it propped up the other half for their own gain. Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states helped cause this because they were the ones who moved to normalize relations with Israel, thereby throwing the plea of the Palestinian people under the bus..which Irani-backed terrorists used as grounds for this conflict. You could blame the Europeans for drawing garbage post-WW2 boundaries. You could blame the pre-1948 European and Arab antisemitism (the Nazis, Jaffa riots, Hebron massacre etc) that was used to justify Zionism. You could blame Zionism itself because of its perceived illegitimacy.

Pick whatever villain satisfies your conscience. But in the end, the only people who deserve our attention are those who suffered. And the best justice we can hope for (if one is to believe in the very idea itself) is that those who have suffered get stable lives again.
How about they don’t get pushed out in the first place?

Sorry for being moral.
 
How about they don’t get pushed out in the first place?
I mean yeah that would be ideal. But the conversation was specifically about where they should go.
Sorry for being moral.
I know you're being sarcastic, but this underpins the whole discourse around warfare and immigration. I've said this before but when we're dealing with the highest decision-makers and most powerful armies on the planet, the morals and rules that govern civic life are rendered useless because there is no earthly authority above these tyrants to satisfy our need for justice. They can pillage and murder as they please and there will be zero consequences. The universe will do nothing about it.

Sorry for being corny.
 
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He's 78. I doubt he even remembers what being 19 was, let alone what a 19 year old is today.
 
...now just watch everyone else follow him for the fear of trade tariffs.
 
Mr President, there's been a plane crash, lots of people dead

Oh no that's... wait- was the pilot black, asian, gay or a woman?

Well...

Great, let's push our DEI agenda!


...is not the conversation you expect or want from the leader of the free world in 2025.

Scratch that - from any leader, in any year, ever.
 
I do feel bad for the few sane Americans left, but right now I'm in my "you're getting what you fucking deserve" phase

Apologies as I work through my own way of dealing with this fucking mess
 
At this point, the rest of the world needs to STEP UP and do it's bit of help welcome displaced sane American refugees
 

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