The War in Ukraine

The fact that this comes down to who flatters Trump most effectively is disturbing to say the least :)
 
People have been saying Russia will "collapse" since the start of the war, but it's mostly wishful thinking because people want the fantasy of seeing the 'bad guy' lose.

I think the more likely scenario is that if Trump forces the war to a close (or at the very least mediate a limited ceasefire), the first thing Russia will negotiate for, at the very minimum, is its continued occupation of Ukraine's Eastern territories and Crimea; a Demilitarized Zone; and most importantly, Ukraine's preclusion from joining NATO, which was one of Putin's major objectives if not the primary one.

In this scenario, Ukraine will walk out the much bigger loser. Meanwhile, the economic crutch Russia got from its military complex will fade so it will probably spend years picking fights with other non-NATO nations, like the Caucasus nations, just to keep its economy breathing. Imo Russia won't collapse, it'll die a long painful death. Unless its citizens organize a revolution and put it out if its misery.
 
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Ukraine’s secret service doing bits inside Russia


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Alexander Lukashenko is firmly on track to win a seventh five-year term as Belarusian president with 87.6% of the vote in Sunday’s election, according to an exit poll broadcast on state television.

The electoral commission said turnout was 81.5% in the election, in which 6.9 million people were eligible to vote.

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So the Saudi talks are kicking off, without Ukraine or Europe.

Starmer talking about sending troops to the Ukraine to maintain the peace. I'd rather see troops on the ground to reclaim Ukraine's lost territory.
 
Wow. Europe is going to have to un-cuck itself from the US fast. This is going to get gaggy for us.
 
Why doesn't he just leave NATO? He's been chatting shit about it for long enough. Or is this just the nasty pre-show?

Surely he's doing it just to PISS OFF CHINA anyway.

I doubt a single person who voted for him and even those who didn't, give a shit that these authotarian CUNTS are laying down the groundwork to carve Europe up Molotov-Ribbentrop style, with crypto dollars.
 
Leaving NATO and resuming economic relations with Russia are both clearly on the cards, if not inevitable at this point.
 
I'm slightly less convinced about him leaving NATO. Given he's so anti-china, having an alliance that would back him up militarily if there is an escalation is probably too useful to him for him to actually leave.
 
Just keep thinking of all the idiots in America who voted for him trying to keep up with who are the heroes and villains.

“Wait, I’m supposed to cheer for Putin now?”

I wonder how Fox is spinning this… actually don’t. I don’t want to know.
 
This is all fucking terrifying.

Trump’s followers are now so far down the rabbit hole that they will be conditioned to this new narrative and accept that Putin is the hero who needs saving. We’ve entered a very dark era.
 
Does anyone believe for one second that Trump would honour the principal of Mutually Assured Destruction if Russia used nukes in Europe?
 
Trump doesn’t even believe in NATO.

Its funny how he spent so long in opposition saying how America spends too much time and resource on other countries and needs to look after itself, and spends the first 2 months in office trying to ‘fix’ Ukraine and Gaza.

The man is untouchable. It doesn’t matter how many times he contradicts himself he has such aggressive support behind him.

Either way this has all he mapped out for a while. I’m not sure what agreement Putin and Trump have had with each other but it’s fairly obvious they’ve been helping each other out for over a decade.
 
Every American who voted for Trump will be culpable for every new Ukrainian death yet to play out in this war
 
I’ve already started to see the bots and fake profiles crop up in force in the Instagram comments defending Trump and Putin and criticising Ukraine and Europe.

It won’t be long before half of Americans are calling for Ukraine to be destroyed.
 
I don’t know where to put this but know you are all very informed on politics and current affairs. Is it likely that we are going to go in to a war again? I heard people talking at the weekend and it scared me a bit as Trump has taken Putins side over Zelenskys?
 
I don’t know where to put this but know you are all very informed on politics and current affairs. Is it likely that we are going to go in to a war again? I heard people talking at the weekend and it scared me a bit as Trump has taken Putins side over Zelenskys?
In short Trump taking Russia's side leaves Europe on its own to defend itself against Russia and gives Russia an upper hand. In short the chance of things going further has increased, but nothing is guaranteed. There are multiple caveats.
 
I have been loosely following it all but it does seem like things have really stepped up a gear and a I can’t help but feel really anxious.
 
It still feels unlikely that actual war will spill out beyond Ukraine in the near to medium term. However whatever peace deal there is, if there is one at all, is going to be much more precarious and probably will involve only other European soldiers on the ground maintaining it, which Putin might feel more inclined to ignore than if US soldiers were involved.

What happens if British/French etc soldiers die in a Russian attack is scary, but I think most parties would try to avoid it being seen as a reason to activate NATO article 5 and start all out war with Russia.
 

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