UK General Election 2024 - July 4th

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The National Service thing was fun for a rainy Bank Holiday Sunday but it's back to business now, eh?
 
Seems like they’re doubling down on this guaranteed vote winner this morning.

Anne-Marie Trevelyan has been doing the media rounds implying a refusal to do national service will impact on university admissions and career prospects. And to prosecute the parents, despite 18 year olds being adults. Literally just making it up as she goes along.
 
cwej said:
I don't know why anyone (us, the media, social media) is spending all this time talking about this national service policy? Everyone knows, including them, that it's something that is never going to happen because they aren't winning. So it's just a waste of everyone's breath to even talk about it. It's just there as a distractor (and it seems to be working)
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well... this is a policy being proposed by one of the parties aiming to get elected. the media does have a duty to cover said policies, from the Tories as well as Labour, however dumb they are. they can't only tell us what Labour is saying because Labour are winning.
 
win_the_game said:
Seems like they’re doubling down on this guaranteed vote winner this morning.

Anne-Marie Trevelyan has been doing the media rounds implying a refusal to do national service will impact on university admissions and career prospects. And to prosecute the parents, despite 18 year olds being adults. Literally just making it up as she goes along.
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It's quite the most pathetic 'policy' I've seen in my lifetime. Uncosted, off-the-tops-of-their-heads garbage, all based around their "young people are awful" schtick. There's a dogwhistle of queerphobia to it as well, regarding the current generation of teenagers as "weak". Weak in what respect? As far as I can see, they're self-educated, principled, open-minded and have street smarts that the Tories can't comprehend. They're scared of what the free movement of information has done to their ability to control the agenda and their answer is "we're grind you down and kill a few of you while we're at it". Absolutely fuck all the way off.
 
Good news gang… the mother has now confirmed she “can’t” and “won’t” vote Tory because she’s “not a class traitor”

…..but she also can’t and won’t vote Labour, so fuck knows where her vote is going but at least I don’t have to argue until I’m blue in the face about why she shouldn’t vote Tory.
 
I’m hearing so many people in my parents generation who won’t vote Tory but refuse to vote Labour because they don’t like their policies. When I ask them to give me one example they can’t.

So the Fail and the Express are doing their job much better than the government ever could.
 
Somewhere in the middle of the NONSENSE about National Service, there is a sound idea about connecting kids with a future workplace/profession that they might have an interest in. I really wish I'd had more than one week's work experience in Year 9 before having to try and figure out what GCSEs and A-Levels to take. It's possible I'd have ended up where I am anyway, but I certainly could've done it a bit sooner and studied better subjects to enhance my knowledge and understanding.

As part of my job at university, we spend three months preparing 18-year-olds to attend clinical placement. It's not just about what they'll actually see when they attend; it's the whole structure of getting up, travelling to and from work (usually at unsocial hours), preparing meals, washing and ironing their uniform, etc. Invariably, those who have done work experience/volunteering cope with it so much better.

I don't, for one minute, want kids to lose the last few years of proper childhood by being compelled to "volunteer" in what will be largely understaffed and overpressured environments. That seems, if nothing else, completely counterintuitive. But I think there is a role in some sectors for a stepping stone that could introduce young adults to what is otherwise a fairly drastic change in lifestyle at a point when they suddenly have no safety net.
 
Labour's get out of "oooh, we're a bit stuck because of the Tories, innit?" isn't landing. But then, the press don't want it to land because they've accepted the Tories are goners but they don't want Starmer to have too big a landslide.
 
Slave said:
Somewhere in the middle of the NONSENSE about National Service, there is a sound idea about connecting kids with a future workplace/profession that they might have an interest in. I really wish I'd had more than one week's work experience in Year 9 before having to try and figure out what GCSEs and A-Levels to take. It's possible I'd have ended up where I am anyway, but I certainly could've done it a bit sooner and studied better subjects to enhance my knowledge and understanding.

As part of my job at university, we spend three months preparing 18-year-olds to attend clinical placement. It's not just about what they'll actually see when they attend; it's the whole structure of getting up, travelling to and from work (usually at unsocial hours), preparing meals, washing and ironing their uniform, etc. Invariably, those who have done work experience/volunteering cope with it so much better.

I don't, for one minute, want kids to lose the last few years of proper childhood by being compelled to "volunteer" in what will be largely understaffed and overpressured environments. That seems, if nothing else, completely counterintuitive. But I think there is a role in some sectors for a stepping stone that could introduce young adults to what is otherwise a fairly drastic change in lifestyle at a point when they suddenly have no safety net.
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But there are many ways of doing this and "National Service" isn't one of them because it won't have the scope or range not to derail people who do have a clear path. What they're proposing is the YTS scheme on steroids, where 17/18 year olds worked full time for their dole money. Only this time, you can get blown up instead but that's OK cos you got blown up for Britain. All the Tories want is cheap/free labour and to flip the bird at a generation who have the tools that previous generations didn't have to be able to see right through their bullshit. And see through it they have.
 
You have to think that with the Tories selecting their candidates on such short notice, they may struggle with vetting them for things like questionable historic tweets. Let’s hope so.
 


Given that most of the Tories are jumping before they're pushed, this might end up being the only satisfying "portillo moment" on the night.

Sadly NOTED CUNT WES STREETING is looking safe as houses :angry:
 
With that name it's such a shame Thangam Debbonaire has no QoL characteristics.
 
Young Conservative resigns following the realisation that Conservatives aren't centrist, nor do they care about the young. :eyes:

 
The clear will of the party to elect Penny Mordaunt? They didn't want her EITHER :D
 


An (evil) Tory MP campaigning for another party to win the seat she's standing down in. They're so done :disco:
 
Well this national service shitshow is still headline news EVERYWHERE which means Labour getting less airtime and the government’s gaffes getting less coverage

I remember there was an episode in The West Wing during the election that focused on controlling the narrative.

It’s working for them. I’m more pissed at the media for falling for it, if you’re going to dedicate so much time to a hypothetical story at least highlight how unlikely it is to happen.
 
funky said:
Well this national service shitshow is still headline news EVERYWHERE which means Labour getting less airtime and the government’s gaffes getting less coverage

I remember there was an episode in The West Wing during the election that focused on controlling the narrative.

It’s working for them. I’m more pissed at the media for falling for it, if you’re going to dedicate so much time to a hypothetical story at least highlight how unlikely it is to happen.
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I really don't think that's the case here. It's headline news because it IS a government gaffe
 
It’s not exactly a GOOP or GAG that a party is trying to influence the media and control the narrative during an election cycle? Kind of the WHOLE POINT!
 
How exciting. What could it be? War on Belgium? Redefining pi? Mandatory sex chromosome testing before you can use a public toilet?

EDIT: Oh, it will be some silly thing about the income tax personal allowance for pensioners - a problem caused by his own freezing of the personal allowance.

 
Madison said:
How exciting. What could it be? War on Belgium? Redefining pi? Mandatory sex chromosome testing before you can use a public toilet?

EDIT: Oh, it will be some silly thing about the income tax personal allowance for pensioners - a problem caused by his own freezing of the personal allowance.

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BIG REVEAL FRIDAY
 
Jark said:
well... this is a policy being proposed by one of the parties aiming to get elected. the media does have a duty to cover said policies, from the Tories as well as Labour, however dumb they are. they can't only tell us what Labour is saying because Labour are winning.
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By that logic they should be making front page news Green party policies and Lib Dem policies too (and if that is what your argument is then I absolutely agree because that's how a fair election would be run).
 
Have the Greens or Lib Dems announced any policies as fucking stupid and illiberal as bringing back slavery?
 
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