UK General Election 2024 - July 4th

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Oh put her out front and centre. We can take bets on how many days it takes her to crash and burn. There’s no way her ego can handle the critical questioning
 
Speculation that he might stand in Clacton, which previously elected a UKIP MP in 2017 (Douglas Carswell, who defected from the Conservatives, then quit UKIP shortly after his re-election to sit as an independent).
 
Oh that I can cope with. It's probably his best chance. Obviously I don't want him in Parliament or frankly conscious, but an electoral pact would be much worse. Although I doubt he'd be the one to announce that.

I bet he fucking stinks.
 
octophone said:
This is so disingenuous that it barely merits a response.

The legislation that is proposed would restrict or remove access to basic services; to keep it simple, let's talk health care.

I go hillwalking. I fall and break my leg, also cutting it open. An ambulance is called and I am taken to hospital - I need surgery. But they can't admit me because they don't have anywhere to put me. I'm not allowed in a women's ward and they've been given legal exemption to refuse me access to the men's ward. They don't have anywhere for someone like me you see. The government said that they could designate some areas for trans people but the private company who owns the building nowadays decided not to spend the money.

The wound becomes septic. For want of basic medical treatment, I die.

That you went from my use of the word "survival" to the hideous overreaction of "are you suggesting one or more of the major parties would legislate to murder you?" shows how easily consent for these things is manufactured. To make a wild exaggeration and then accuse someone of exaggerating is nothing more than bullying.

Denial of access to healthcare, housing, employment etc, all of which have been mooted, will kill. Austerity is considered to have contributed to 90-100,000 excess deaths. But that's not "murder", is it? So, presumably you're fine with it.
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the Tory policy is evidently harmful and couldn’t work in practice. Would it lead to the example you suggest? Probably not. But I take your point.

The initial issue was about pragmatism being a privilege some could ill afford. I don’t agree. If the suggestion on one hand is a proposal that fundamentally affects your way of life, then to ensure that party doesn’t get into power would be of topmost importance, overruling any other lesser misgivings. At least in my view.
 
VoR said:
Speculation that he might stand in Clacton, which previously elected a UKIP MP in 2017 (Douglas Carswell, who defected from the Conservatives, then quit UKIP shortly after his re-election to sit as an independent).
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This will prob be it. Or he has a new fucking gin to sell or something.

If there is to be any kind of pact, it’ll be the reverse of 2019. Farage will demand a clear run from the Tories in a handful of seats in return for some notional lessening of aggression elsewhere. This allows Reform to be legitimised and fold into the rump of the remaining Conservative Party in a new Parliament and potentially allowing Farage to take control. Fun.
 
The Conservatives are only trying to kill: refugees, 18 year olds, old people, poor people, trans people, homeless people, swimmers, disabled people and Muslims. They have my vote.
 
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Is it really wise to allude to the Student Loans debacle to beat on the Lib Dems? It was a Tory policy!
 
Side point: he’s campaigning in a seat the Tories have held for over 130 years.
 
I do like those timeline charts

As rubbish as Rishi is, there's always remained this strange notion amongst the Tories that he and Truss are to blame for their tragic poll ratings, and if only they'd kept Boris.

But let history remember that they were already tracking below Labour long before Boris got the boot.
 
I know the SNP are way down in the polls but that would be a complete disaster for them if they went down to 14 seats. I’ve seen some predictions even suggesting as low as 11.

I’m slightly cautious about how they work out the modelling for Scotland. Those numbers would mean a potential wipeout in the Central Belt. Not wanting to get anyone’s hopes up but that would include Edinburgh South West, one of their safer seats held by Joanna Cherry going to Labour.
 
win_the_game said:
I know the SNP are way down in the polls but that would be a complete disaster for them if they went down to 14 seats. I’ve seen some predictions even suggesting as low as 11.

I’m slightly cautious about how they work out the modelling for Scotland. Those numbers would mean a potential wipeout in the Central Belt. Not wanting to get anyone’s hopes up but that would include Edinburgh South West, one of their safer seats held by Joanna Cherry going to Labour.
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Yeah, I think Scotland isn't being captured well at all. I just can't see them losing so much in the central belt which is still the strongest yes vote, especially since I think the greens are unlikely to stand in many of the seats but Labour and Conservatives will and split the unionist vote a little.
 
I think SNP is still feeling the effects of an uncertain couple of months, it will probably bounce back by polling day... unless the new leader faces another revolt, which I don't think they would risk right now.
 
funky said:
I think SNP is still feeling the effects of an uncertain couple of months, it will probably bounce back by polling day... unless the new leader faces another revolt, which I don't think they would risk right now.
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Swinney will be more popular than Yousaf, so I think that will help them
 
Oh fuck off :D

That surely won't help Reform will it? I think they've capped the number of UKIP/BNP/BREXIT voters they can siphon off from the Tories, the only way they grow and take more share is if they soften their populist approach and woo more traditional Conservatives or ageing Labour voters. Farage isn't the way to do that surely...
 
THen again how do you soften your approach with the shitshow of 'politicians' that currently make up your party...
 
I wonder if this has anything to do with his mate across the pond becoming a convicted felon?

Just last week he was saying he didn't want to be an MP and was too busy helping the Republicans regain power. Not that ANYTHING he says can ever be taken seriously but even for him that's quite the shift in a just a week.
 
Lucille said:
Oh I already thought he was the leader of Reform? Was it someone else then?
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He was non executive ‘president’, Richard Tice was ‘leader’. Of course Reform is technically not a political party, but a private company so I guess Farage is CEO now.

Obviously what he really wants is to be leader of the Conservative Party. This is the opening gambit.
 
You’d need a huge tactical voting drive. You’d need about 50% of Labour voters to go Tory (or 75% of Tories to go Labour). Personally I think all the other parties should withdraw their candidates and this be a straight fight between Farage and the Conservatives.
 
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