The Crown - Netflix Elizabeth II Drama (1 Viewer)

KindaCool said:
I had no idea Charles and Diana's relationship was troubled THAT early on. I always thought the eating disorder started later in their marriage.
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Never a bad time to plug one of my absolute FAVE podcasts. You’re Wrong About is a show focusing on topics that have a popular narrative built around them and basically going through the facts. They have recently done a five part series on Princess Diana that I found enormously entertaining.


Around ep three is when you start to get into the true HOT MESS EXPRESS era of Lady Di. :disco: Starts around the point that she PUSHES HER AGING STEPMOTHER DOWN THE STAIRS. :D
 
I'm quite enjoying the Tory snowflakes getting upset about this:

The first reply being that video of the Glaswegian old woman saying they should put a stake through her heart and garlic round her neck :disco:
 
I've caught up by watching the episodes of the last season that seemed Margaret heavy, and now I'm ready to dive in to the new season.
 
episode 7 is the one for you then GNL :disco: just you wait

it happens several times this season but did Thatcher really have her ministers up to the family apartment and cook them dinner herself while working evenings? :D or is that another creative liberty?
 
Jark said:
it happens several times this season but did Thatcher really have her ministers up to the family apartment and cook them dinner herself while working evenings? :D or is that another creative liberty?
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Whether that actually happened, I have no idea, but I believe she cooked quite a bit while still PM.
 
The 10 Downing Street flat really is a pokey little hole.

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Tetris-Rock said:
Never a bad time to plug one of my absolute FAVE podcasts. You’re Wrong About is a show focusing on topics that have a popular narrative built around them and basically going through the facts. They have recently done a five part series on Princess Diana that I found enormously entertaining.


Around ep three is when you start to get into the true HOT MESS EXPRESS era of Lady Di. :disco: Starts around the point that she PUSHES HER AGING STEPMOTHER DOWN THE STAIRS. :D
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I listened to ep one of this in bed last night. I enjoyed it, but the female co-host is terribly lethargic and lacking insight. I got so annoyed by her moaning and her weird NOISES.
 
I have one episode left of this. I'm so sad it's going to be over so fast.

Charles must be absolutely RAGING at his portrayal this season. It's been the closest thing yet to a hit job - they portrayed Thatcher far more generously than him, for god's sake :D not that it's unearned. But still, he must be fucking livid. Diana gives him a thoughtful birthday gift, he immediately runs to Anne slagging it off. Anne gives him home truths, he immediately runs to CAMILLA to seek assurance that she really DOESN'T have any feelings for her husband (as if that would be so unreasonable).

They've really gone all-in on the COLD, VAIN MONSTER characterisation.
 
Thatcher's portrayal is really boring. All the focus is on her personality and almost nothing on her 11-year-long politics/errors/achievements. To the point where the award she gets from Liz at the end feels incredibly random.
 
Jark said:
I listened to ep one of this in bed last night. I enjoyed it, but the female co-host is terribly lethargic and lacking insight. I got so annoyed by her moaning and her weird NOISES.
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I mean, I take your point but the whole format of the podcast is that one of them does the research and the other acts as the recipient of said research, essentially, and asks questions where relevant.

Personally I love Sarah :D
 
Though now that I've taken my cheap (but deserved) shot at her, I agree. There seemed to be a bit less focus on the political context for this era of the Royal Family. I suppose because setting up Charles, Diana and Camilla took up so much oxygen.
 
they definitely took a clear creative decision not to show Thatcher through a political lens beyond the vague references Elizabeth makes to unemployment and political unrest. With all of the other PMs we've seen their political backstabbing troubles and crisis responses in some detail, but Thatcher is seen almost exclusively through the lens of the Queen.

I think the conversation they have about their age during their "testy" audience reveals that Peter Morgan is most interested in the contrast between them and not in Thatcher the politician. But possibly also setting up Charles in such a villain role required them to hold back on anything that might push Thatcher too far in that direction (ie anything political).

I think the choice mostly works, although she doesn't feel essential to the season.
 
I just thought it was weird with them focussing so much on the South Africa sanctions and how they overshadowed Andrew & Fergie’s wedding. It probably did, but that wedding was my first real memory of anything happening in the news so it must have got SOME attention.
 
Ellie said:
I just thought it was weird with them focussing so much on the South Africa sanctions and how they overshadowed Andrew & Fergie’s wedding. It probably did, but that wedding was my first real memory of anything happening in the news so it must have got SOME attention.
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Yes Andrew and Fergie were front page news for much of my earliest memories. I guess recent events put them off that line of focus.
 
I wish @VoR hadn't pointed out that Maggie sounds like an ent, because I really can't unhear it :D
 
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This season is everything. I loved the Margaret ep - I thought HBC did some lovely work.

I'm glad these entitled cunts and their rabid gammon followers are all livid about the drive by-shooting that this entire show is. Every time they show Charles or Anne or whoever being horrible people, it's very yass drag her.
 
I've fallen down a ROYAL youtube khole :D


I hope they have Paul Burrell in the next season going through Diana's bins.
 
Ag said:
If anyone wants a bit more Diana action, Diana: In Her Own Words has a week left on Netflix. It's the recordings of the Andrew Mortom interviews.

https://www.netflix.com/title/80221317?s=a&trkid=13747225&t=cp
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this was amazing. I was six when Diana died and although I've always been very aware of her place in the UK (and global) consciousness, I really didn't know that much about the details of her story or who she was as a person prior to watching The Crown and doing some research on the side. I came away from both the show and specifically this doc feeling that she was somebody who survived a lot and somehow found the strength not to go insane, and still had a positive attitude and a determination to make it all worth it.

actually it seemed like she was really beginning to come into her own as an independent adult who was finally able to experience happiness after the formal separation/divorce, so it really is terribly tragic that she just had a year or two of that.

one moment that stuck with me is where she says that on the last night before she moved out of her Earl's Court flatshare, her police escort said to her "tonight will be the last night of freedom you ever have in your whole life, so enjoy it". I'm sure she can't have realised at that time how true that was.
 
She was the most famous woman in the world and was legit beloved my millions. She dominanted the news from marriage to death and got to people emotionally. Her death was genuinely SHOCKING.

Watch a bit of the funeral. The public reaction is ASTONISHING. Or when Martin Lewis stops himself from crying on the news the next day.
 
The final episode was amazing. The fight scene between Diana and Charles was everything.

If you didn't come out of this season thinking this awful institution needs to be abolished ASAP, well... I guess there's always the D@ily M@il.
 
the Philip and Diana scene at the end of the final episode was maybe the best single scene of the season (save maybe for Fagan in the Queen's bedroom). it felt really pivotal, having him spell it out for her like that - you don't matter, I don't matter, the Queen is the only one of us who matters. and it was an acting masterclass from both.
 
I found Gillian's acting to be the shakiest in general. Not that I didn't gag at some of the high drag of her Thatcher, but she gave us a little too much Snatch Game and not quite enough Meryl.
 
I watched the whole of Season 4 yesterday. I've no idea if Charles really was so cruel to Diana or not, but if there's some truth in the things The Crown shows, I feel sorry for whoever outside the royal family eventually crosses paths with it or becomes part of it. They look like a very dysfunctional lot.
Also, it's very surprising that the presence of Josh O'Connor could make me think that Charles could somehow be an attractive individual. Charles isn't. But Josh on the other hand....
 
John O'Connor is so much more attractive out of character. As Charles all I can think is CUNT!
 
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I feel the opposite, but mostly because I'm always surprised not to find Charles unattractive.

I'm enjoying Gillian's Spitting Image portrayal.
 
Josh O'Connor is AMAZING
I saw him first in the Durrells and have been a fan ever since.
 
Josh is very handsome. The casting team were VERY KIND to Charles. The costume department were also VERY KIND to Diana. They've toned down a lot of looks from her iconic 'explosion at a doily factory' era.

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I QUITE like him. Nasty knitwear when he was on Graham Norton the other week, though.
 
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